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T. Boone Pickens is having problems financing his large visionBy Llewellyn King

The billionaire T. Boone Pickens and President Barack Obama have something in common: a plan for saving us from imported energy. In doing so they hope to reduce air pollution, create jobs and head the country towards a more sustainable energy future.

But Pickens and Obama do not have the same plan. In fact, Pickens has been critical of Obama's plan; and Obama has been silent on Pickens' plan.

Where both plans converge is on the billions of tax dollars that will be needed to upgrade the now ramshackle transmission system. This is often called the grid. The fact is it is not a grid at all, but a series of local grids that are sometimes interconnected. Texas is not connected to the rest of the U.S. system, for example.

The first problem with the two plans is that they are aimed specifically at foreign oil but deal with electricity, which we import in small quantities from Canada. Electric imports are not a problem. Both have ideas about how a greener, smarter electric grid will help toward cutting the astonishing amount of oil–20 million barrels a day–we consume in the U.S., 70 percent of it from overseas.

The Pickens plan is fairly straightforward. He wants to build wind farms up the spine of the United States, from Texas to Canada–hundreds of thousands of windmills in the best wind belt in the country. This electricity will be transported from the relatively underpopulated Intermountain West to the heavily populated coastal cities of the East and West.

This electricity would be moved on the new smart grid that everyone is sure is desirable, and on the way if the government foots the bill and there is enough use of eminent domain to force the new lines across private property. One of the reasons the grid is not larger and more flexible today is that it often takes as long as 20 years to overcome the local protest and litigation. Even the abusive use of eminent domain does not block lawsuits over issues like the health effects of large power lines.

To Pickens, this electricity will make it possible to back out the 30 percent of natural gas now being used to generate electricity; and that resource will substitute for oil in large trucks and eventually domestic autos, after the new filling stations are built.

Neat, huh? Maybe in 25 years?

Obama's plan is more ambitious, but less specific. It seeks a huge increase in wind generation; the use of solar panels in cities; and, of course, the building of a really smart grid, which will give consumers the option to turn off their appliances when electricity is expensive and back on when it is cheap, mostly late at night and early in the morning–midnight suppers and 3 a.m. showers. The relief from imported oil comes in the use of electric cars, hybrid cars and possibly the electrification of some rail lines, where high-speed trains are envisaged.

Under the Obama plan and with his grid, your house will be monitored 24 hours a day for energy usage and it will get helpful directions on energy conservation. Ergo if you are growing plants in the basement, you might not want to sign up. Privacy is an issue. Also, will we go smart? Those who cannot program their VCR might want to dodge the smart grid.

There will be winners and losers. The winners will be the equipment manufacturers (lines, poles, meters, wire, insulators, turbines), civil engineers and, of course, lawyers and consultants. The losers? If the scheme collapses under its own grandeur, it will be taxpayers; job-seekers and ultimately the environment, if the utilities keep burning coal for more than half of their production. If the windmills are built under either scheme, birds and bats will get it. Both species are already slaughtered by the tens of thousands by flying into wind turbine blades.

While gasoline is cheap, the lights are on and the thermostat is set either too low or too high, it is going to be hard to tell people they have to change–and pay for it.

 

External link:
Real-world update on the status of the Pickens Plan

See original blog item: http://whchronicle.com/2009/03/the-pickens-and-obama-energy-plans-how-smart-are-they/  
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Comment by: auntiegrav (auntiegrav) (Apr-17-2009)   
Sure Dave. I mostly agree. Problems arise, however, when the centralized system forgets where the power is coming from and decides to dictate that X place has to generate X power and sell it by decree to X other place (see "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"). When local systems balk, then eminent domain gets put into play by the fascists.
There is plenty of distribution and generation capability for the necessary things. With proper conservation, the infrastructure would have excess capacity. With more local foods, less refrigeration would be needed. With fewer jobs, less hair drying is needed, fewer hot showers, fewer lights.
The cure for a bloated lifestyle is a Depression. The cure for a Depression is simply the depression.
  
Comment by:  PT (David Alexander) (Apr-17-2009)   Web site

No one in their right mind is against some local generation. However, the dedicated environmental advocates I have spoken to support a combination of nationwide generation and enhanced grid, plus community generation, plus individual home or building generation. You need to look at the efficiencies of large-scale and small scale systems. Like with the Internet (one of my two areas of expertise) and like a nervous system, a combination of local functions and centralized functions may be the healthiest combination. I think we should avoid taking "sides" in discussions like this, although it is clear that a far greater distribution of generating capacity than presently used is desirable.

Also, when unhealthy regulation and monopolies are discarded and a true economic analysis is done, the incentives will tend to create just such a multi-faceted matrix of energy generation.
  
Comment by: Mary Saunders (Apr-17-2009)   

I'm with auntie. Power needs to be produced near where it is used. Big, centralized things with huge requirements to eat taxes for transmission build-outs seem ill-advised to me. The potential for harm and waste is great with this way of doing things.
  
Comment by: auntiegrav (auntiegrav) (Apr-17-2009)   

Yeah, that's good. You are learning to be a color commentator (why not just say 'commenter'?) also.
The problem as I see it is that the people in charge aren't even trying to switch engines: they just keep adding more engines when there isn't any fuel in them. Just as the Fed keeps trying to stomp on the accelerator of the economic bus (lowering interest rates) when the bus is out of fuel (people don't have any more 'life' to promise in order to borrow more money).
Everything's tapped out and our illustrious leaders keep putting the taps into empty kegs.
So there...LOL. See you next week.
  
Comment by:  PT (David Alexander) (Apr-17-2009)   Web site

l agree that there is still a taboo about approaching a reduction in level of consumption as one of the important steps to live sustainably. People are still trying to figure out how to switch engines while the train continues to run down the track. But there is no replacement engine, and the track is about to reach its end. You like that, AG?
  
Comment by: auntiegrav (auntiegrav) (Apr-17-2009)   

These two plans seem too grandiose. The economics of the grid are based on centralized power control and the need for synchronization of ac powered clocks. Who has those anymore? Just because we have been using this wasteful, top-heavy system of wires doesn't mean we have to keep using it. We have millions of people who don't have jobs and could just as well build their own turbines. Sure, they aren't perfectly efficient, but they don't have to be. The first step in any overall plan should be conservation, then relocalization of both building and maintenance resources. The majority of power useage is wasted on things we don't really need. We have become so entrenched in our comforts and conveniences that we forget what a real useful standard of living comes from (good food, good health, reliable local services).
  
Comment by:  PT (David Alexander) (Apr-17-2009)   Web site

CW, I agree with you overall. I think that we would need to know a bit more of the details i.e. how much profit margin did he build in, is he truly risking capital or just trying to grab land and resources cheap, and so on. There is no doubt that his proposal has gained more attention for the problem of what Al Gore described as "spending money buying energy in unfriendly countries to burn in our country causing climate change problems" As Gore said, all of that has got to change.
  
Comment by: City Worker (Apr-16-2009)   

Yes, I looked at the external link and see that that is definitely true. Even though T. Boone Pickens is super-rich and pretty old, he still wants to make sure he doesn't lose money in the alternative energy area, and it seems he would like to make more. However...I don't know history that well, so what I am saying might not be quite right, but I think that throughout the history of the United States, although men like Vanderbilt, with respect to the railroad industry, and others, in other industries, made lots of money changing the way we did things, they moved the nation forward in ways which were considered progress. So, yes, it may be better to not use or just start with T. Boone Pickens plans, and then move on. However, if T. Boone Pickens can get things off the ground when others cannot, I would prefer his plans going forward and chalking up his financial self-benefitting as a price, maybe a bit dear, to pay for getting something important done. But maybe my impatience and look for a quick fix is once again, getting the better of me.
  
Comment by:  PT (David Alexander) (Apr-16-2009)   Web site

Pickens plan has good components. However, there is some self-benefit involved, perhaps a lot. He has twisted some Texas and Oklahoma legislators to do his will -- so follow the money.

The External Link at the end of this article has a pretty good level of detail on some of the issues involved.
  
Comment by: City Worker (Apr-16-2009)   

T. Boone Pickens' plan sounds like a good idea, if not just a start. I don't think we need perfection. We need easy action.

  
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